You can’t fault AEG for thinking big
By: Melissa | February 16th, 2009So I guess it’s pretty obvious by now Becks is not returning to the LA Galaxy. Honestly, I think this turn of events could be the best thing to happen to WPS. Considering AEG may also lose its other star to Bayern, come April, the most famous person playing at the Home Depot Center may be the one we almost lost to a club in Sweden (granted, I’m still waiting for those Borgetti to Chivas USA rumors to surface). And speaking of Sweden, apparently La Sol are in talks to bring Umea to the States for a few exhibition matches. Hey – AEG may have botched a MLS team or two in the past and they may have gotten in a bit over their heads dealing with that fickle Beckham guy, but I certainly can’t fault them for thinking big and making a play at competing on the world stage. So if they want to take that attitude and apply it to the women’s game, I’m all for it. Bring Umea over! In fact, see if you can get Frankfurt & Arsenal over here too (okay, after the Euros). Oh and you know what would also be cool? Broadcasting those games on television… or the internet.
(In other news, USWNT players are now free to sign contracts with their WPS clubs. WHEW! FINALLY!)
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Women’s soccer is for ******* . The rest of this comment has been removed by one of the tech guys from the company that owns this blog because of the complete dumbassery of the commenter. Time well spent. Love, BootsnAll.
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says the man shunned by women, straight and lesbian alike.
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Leyrocks here from http://www.womenssoccershow.wordpress.com/
Joe if the women’s league bothers you so much why the hell are you on this blog? But whatever I’m not going to go to your level. I think having FSC is going to be great but as a fan I would love access to all the games, either on tv or online. It will make my job easier as a blogger. I do think loosing Beckham is for the best. If he honestly does not want to play here why keep him. Making him honor his contract would just make things worst.
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Two of Lyon’s players, Camille Abily and Sonia Bompaster, want to quit OL and take up WPS offers, one from LA and the other from Washington. However, Lyon is blocking the move and has threatened to do all they legally can from keeping the girls from leaving. Furthermore, Lyon have more than enough money to back up their threats.
Honestly, the WPS can’t just barge into these situations. It’s making everyone outside the US hate them. It’s the middle of the season for European clubs, and Lyon for one have their eye on the UEFA Women’s Cup. The WPS is trying to rob them of their two best players in the middle of their season, with no financial compensation whatsoever. If the WPS thought that OL were going to just allow this happen, they messed with the wrong president.
The funny part is that Lyon’s president is a huge supporter of the women’s game and has sunk a lot of money into it’s development. He would have been happy to work with the WPS had they approached the situation in a professional manner. But for all the talk of the WPS wanting to truly professionalize women’s football, they are acting like amateurs in so many other ways. We all appreciate that the WPS is trying to put women’s football on at least a somewhat equal footing with the men’s, but the way they are going about it is destroying the progress being made elsewhere.
Even more hilarious is that a few months ago, Jeff Cooper on the Saturday Soccer Report talked about the MLS’s desire to have close relationships with European clubs. He listed Lyon as a particular example, saying that he wanted to communicate and build a partnership with them.
If this is what he meant, we want no part of it.
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@Inara: good point about protocol, but there’s a reason why these player leave their clubs. In some cases, the WPS has had a positive effect on the overseas clubs, making them treat/pay their women better. It also shows how good the German women’s league is: the league has the infrastructure and influence to keep its players in country.
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DC DC: I do understand Abily and Bompastor’s decision to leave for the WPS. They’ve been in France for a long time and want to leave for more competition (it wasn’t an issue of money, since Lyon can pay and would have paid more than the WPS ever will). What pissed me off was the way WPS went about to get their signatures. In both their cases, the WPS made it clear to the players that the offer to join might not be around come summer, which is when the European season is over. So they need to leave right now. That is bad manners if you ask me. If both women left in the summer, having honored their contracts – like professionals – I wouldn’t have minded at all. So it’s not their wanting to leave that upsets me as much as the way it’s come about.
It takes time to develop a professional league – and money. In France for example, right now only three or four clubs are in a position to become professional. At best, France can right now hope for a semi-professional league, as long as parity is maintained. Eventually the hope was to make the league professional and competitive all around. Lyon was helping bring that change about by increasing interest in the women’s game from both fans and sponsors. But taking their players in such an underhanded way weakens their position and will make future incursions even more common place, which means Lyon and the French league can never reach that position of strength you are advocating.
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Hey Inara – I don’t know the details on how this all went down (I only know about this from a tiny article published on a French website) but I’m gonna see if I can get more info this week.
I can’t remember but I think the European clubs respect a transfer window (although I think it’s not the same dates as the window for the men’s clubs). Sounds like this is something for WPS to use too.
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@Melissa and Inara, that would be an interesting topic. It brings up so many items we don’t know about yet.
Why shouldn’t a league use its leverage to get the best players? This is still a business. Clubs around the world do it (which doesn’t make it right, of course). Perhaps the WPS doesn’t have a fear of other leagues and don’t see the need to adhere to pleasantries. If the WPS is going to be the dominant league, maybe the foreign leagues can modify their schedules September-March to correspond. Then players can play year-round. Works for the Aussie league.
I still think some of the foreign leagues should step up their efforts in the women’s game, but in some places it still hasn’t received enough attention. There should be no reason why Ligue 1 can’t support professional women players. Those clubs have enough money and members to support a professional women’s team, and it surely would be done if the clubs really wanted to.
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Well it looks like we can put all this Lyon/Abily talk to an end. According to the LA Sol website she (Abily), Duan and Frisk (which we knew about already) have official sign with the club.
http://www.womensprosoccer.com/newsitem_ektid9118.aspx?team=la
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DCDC: First, if the WPS is more interested in creating a business than developing women’s football, that’s an entirely different story. I guess the view that sports is about more than just money is old fashioned and foolish, but there you go.
Perhaps the WPS doesn’t have a fear of other leagues and don’t see the need to adhere to pleasantries. If the WPS is going to be the dominant league, maybe the foreign leagues can modify their schedules September-March to correspond. Then players can play year-round. Works for the Aussie league.
Why shouldn’t the WPS adhere to any pleasantries? Football is a global sport. It would be one thing if the WPS was entirely self contained, but it’s not. It’s trying hard to recruit international players and get worldwide recognition as the best women’s league, and furthermore, they are a part of FIFA. The WPS acting like they are the only boat in the sea is not reflecting the reality of that situation. If the WPS really cared about raising the standards of women’s football, they wouldn’t ride rod shod over the other countries who are trying to do the same thing. Instead, the WPS would have tried to work together with other nations, but they didn’t even try!
As for having all the other leagues in the world modify their schedules to fit the WPS? That’s silly. Every country in the world has to work around their respective schedules. So while no one is saying that the WPS should change their schedule to fit Europe’s, they should respect it, or at least their transfer seasons. In France for example, female teams can only bring in recruits the same times the men’s team can, which is in the summer and in the January transfer window. The WPS taking Abily and Bompaster right after the window closed means that not only are Lyon losing two players right before they are about to play in the UEFA Cup semifinals, but they couldn’t even replace them. If LA and Washington were so hot for Abily and Bompaster, the least they could have done was look at Lyon’s calendar.
Also, about L1 being able to support female players, I’m guessing you’ve never watched a lot of Ligue 1. Besides a few clubs, money is scarce – and that’s for the men’s teams. Women’s football is hard to sell in Europe, so right now, the only way female teams can have any sort of financial power is to be pushed by the men’s side, like Lyon, Arsenal, Chelsea, and Atletico. And now Bayern, Barca, and Real Madrid are following suit as well. The clubs will eventually push away the traditional powerhouses like Umea, who were shown not to have any power at all. And since these clubs have the wealth to at least match the WPS, once their leagues strengthen more, the WPS certainly won’t be the only boat in the sea.
Lyon are in a strong position because their money comes from the men’s division. They don’t really earn money themselves, and if left on their own, would be way off the radar. But the other clubs in France’s topflight female division are not so lucky, and besides a handful, cannot make the jump from amateur to professional at the moment. But until they do, France will not allow Lyon to be the sole professional team in the league. So that’s why the FFF has been trying to garner more interest in the sport. More interest means more money for the teams, which means a higher standard of women’s football.
But all that progress will disappear overnight. So really, just how is the WPS acting the way it does do anything except hurt the long term development of women’s football?
Leyla: It only means the drama is beginning, since Aulas threatened that if the Sol does sign Abily, he’ll bring that contract into legal dispute. And Abily may already be feeling the consequences as she’s been left out of France’s team for the oncoming internationals – the NT coach was not happy with her breaching her contract.
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Inara – again, you bring up very good points. And I wish I had some real answers for you right now. I contacted the WPS main office on Tuesday regarding your comments. I’ll see if I can contact them tomorrow and maybe we can all figure out what the deal is. I’m a little taken back by the signing announcement, to be honest.
Regarding the dates for the WPS season & transfer windows, I have a few comments. I admit I don’t have all the dates memorized which leagues play when etc etc etc. I thought the WPS season at the same time as the MLS season was a bit weird but maybe there’s a good reason for it. MLS put their season where they did because of competition with other American sports (if I remember correctly). Unfortunately that didn’t correspond with the European leagues and god forbid MLS complies with International dates. But MLS does comply with transfer windows. But I’m not sure if all European women’s leagues comply with a transfer window (someone wanna correct me here?). If that is the case then absolutely WPS MUST comply too. But if there’s a grey area, then perhaps it’s time to smooth that out so we don’t have this problem again.
But the difference here (compared to MLS) is WPS is already coming from a position of strength. Looking at how other European women’s leagues have already responded to WPS, I think it’s pretty clear that because WPS exists (and good god, hasn’t even played a single game), the other leagues are reacting, negative or otherwise. So this new league may actually be able to influence policy which sounds kinda weird but appears to be the reality.
If I remember correctly, the official word from WPS is all international players they courted had to be either out of contract or something like within 6 months of being so and the negotiations had to be approved by the player’s clubs. I believe a consultant was hired to come up with a list of International players and I think WPS tried to prevent something like a scenario that our French players find themselves in now. So where the disconnect is — I’m not so sure.
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